Q:I agree with a lot of “social justice warrior” ideas, but I have to admit to being disturbed by illiberal attempts to shut down debate on important issues. Do you have an opinion on this?
I’ll try and explain what I think you might be seeing, tho I warn that I’m anti-liberal in that I’m a leftist who finds liberalism to be very centrist and cowardly.
The people you perceive as trying to shut down debate are generally the ones who have actually had these debates many many times before. In fact, they’ve had them so many times that they’re thoroughly sick of having to have those conversations at all, and a big part of that is how often these debates are framed as being between two equal sides.
When women talk about misogyny, we’re not only talking about some abstract idea with a bunch of associated statistics. We’re also talking about our lived experiences.
Now, obviously, there are women who will be on completely opposite sides of an argument involving or about misogyny. That is fine, because when it comes to misogyny, debate between women should be expected. The problem comes when a man sees two women disagreeing about misogyny and thinking that means what he has to say about something completely outside his lived experience, something that is for all intents and purposes an abstract idea to him, is just as valuable as what either of those women have to say.
And yes, there are those of us who don’t actually want to have discussion with the women on the opposite side. I’m pro-abortion, for example, but I don’t want to have a discussion with a woman who is against it, because I’ve had them before, I know how those conversations go, and I don’t feel like indulging their beliefs or wasting my time.
So, if I can sum this up, I guess I’d say that “shutting down discussion” as you perceive it is what happens when those affected by an issue are sick and tired of the opinions of those outside the issue or just sick and tired of having the discussions at all.
It’s not that we were never willing to have a discussion. It’s that we’ve had these discussions so many times our patience for them has vanished.
Idea for a two-volume book series:
- Book one: a life-affirming story about pretentious teens with superiority complexes who have experiences and give nauseatingly quotable musings on philosophy and what it means to be alive, which often involves their enjoyment of books and tea and their condescending view of the popular kids as sheep
- Book two: the same exact story, except this time it's being narrated by the teacher who has to deal with these asshole kids on a daily basis but is legally barred from saying "are you fucking kidding me" when they say some pretentious bullshit about how they prefer the smell of old books to the taste of alcohol. The teacher is re-telling the story to her friend at the bar, and her friend refuses to accept that these children could POSSIBLY be as pretentious as she makes them sound
SUGGESTION TO ALL PLUS SIZE RETAILERS FROM ME, A REALLY FAT GIRL
Can you just say if the fabric has some fucking stretch or not?
Can you just say LIGHT STRETCH or LOTS OF STRETCH because MOTHERFUCKING SHIT this is pissing me off and I can’t tell your fucking percentage shit on what the fabric is made of.
JUST TELL ME IF IT’LL FIT A BIG 3X OR A SMALL 3X OR BOTH.
if you don’t think this carries an important message about our society then you are what is wrong with human society today
And this is why when you see a post empowering and uplifting black women, do not invade it with “don’t you mean all women.” No, because this is not the reality of “all women.”
Men who want to be feminists do not need to be given a space in feminism. They need to take the space they have in society & make it feminist.
Gaming culture was never anything but this weird, insular, xenophobic ghetto built around very toxic notions of masculinity and persecution complex. Games marketed at boys promoted and reinforced this hyper-machismo image, and gamers were seeking to embody it and so it went in an endless self-reinforcing circle. It is no accident that teenagers scream homophobic and gender slurs into their head-sets or brag about “raping” the opposing team in Call of Duty. It’s no accident that video game related message boards basically invented the “tits or gtfo” greeting. It is no accident that Anita Sarkesian could post feminist critiques of SF films, TV shows and novels without much harassment but the moment she started talking about video games, she instantly got death and rape threats. Because this community was not build around tolerance, acceptance of criticism or diversity. It was a fortress of solitude built by man-children to protect their toys from evil mainstream activists.